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cliff deal. look at the numbers from the "new york times" to see why. there are 234 house republican there's this 113th congress. 85% of them won re-election easily with at least 55% of the vote. and almost all were re-elect we'd the promise not to raise taxes. so what is their obligation to their voters and can john boehner make a switch palatable? i'm joined now by former ohio governor ted strickland and former campaign manager for mike huckabee chip satsman. good morning. >> good morning. >> what do the lawmakers owe their constituents on the promise not to raise tax she's. >> i think they owe the country. good governance. and obviously every member of congress has an obligation to their particular district and their particular constituents, but they also have a larger obligation, i believe, to the well-being of the country as a total. and so we are in a situation where some difficult decisions have to be made, but i believe the well being of the country must take precedent over every other co
cliff deal. look at the numbers from the "new york times" to see why. there are 234 house republican there's this 113th congress. 85% of them won re-election easily with at least 55% of the vote. and almost all were re-elect we'd the promise not to raise taxes. so what is their obligation to their voters and can john boehner make a switch palatable? i'm joined now by former ohio governor ted strickland and former campaign manager for mike huckabee chip satsman. good morning. >>...
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incidentally, the same time frame necessary to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. it's wednesday, december 12th, and this is "now." >>> joining me today, msnbc contributor and political editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post," sam stein holding it down stag style. jane mayer from "the new yorker" is here. bbc world news america anchor and former traveling press secretary for the obama campaign jen socky. this is the speed of the fiscal cliff negotiations. blink and you just might miss exactly nothing. while talks between speaker boehner and president obama over the past three days have been shrouded in secrecy, we've learned there have been two offers put on the table. the white house sent boehner a proposal on monday calling for $1.4 trillion in tax revenue, $200 billion less than the original offer. might that seal the deal? >> the president's called for $1.4 trillion worth of revenue. that cannot pass the house or the senate. >> okay then. the speaker's office responded with a deal of its own. yesterday it included precisely the same amoun
incidentally, the same time frame necessary to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. it's wednesday, december 12th, and this is "now." >>> joining me today, msnbc contributor and political editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post," sam stein holding it down stag style. jane mayer from "the new yorker" is here. bbc world news america anchor and former traveling press secretary for the obama campaign jen socky. this is the speed of the...
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there was a hint of movement on the fiscal cliff deal between president obama and speaker boehner yesterday. here's where things stand for now. the white house sent over a proposal that lowered the revenue target for the president obama from $1.6 trillion to $1.6 trillion. he also increased spending cuts to $600 billion. so you have three things he's moving on there. speaker boehner was not impressed sending over his original offer of $800 billion in revenue. by the way that was the number last summer, summer of '11. acknowledged there's a long way to go. let's listen to him. >> i remain the most optimistic person in this town, but we've got some serious differences. the president and i had a pretty frank conversation about just how far apart we are. >> and in an interview with barbara walters, the president held firm and said time is running out. >> taxes are going to go up one way or the other. and i think the key is to make sure that taxes go up on the high end individuals like you and me, barbara. we can afford it. it is entirely possible for us to come up with a deal, but time is runni
there was a hint of movement on the fiscal cliff deal between president obama and speaker boehner yesterday. here's where things stand for now. the white house sent over a proposal that lowered the revenue target for the president obama from $1.6 trillion to $1.6 trillion. he also increased spending cuts to $600 billion. so you have three things he's moving on there. speaker boehner was not impressed sending over his original offer of $800 billion in revenue. by the way that was the number last...
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despite all the gloom the president said he remains confident a fiscal cliff deal will get done. charlie and norah? >> major garrett thank you. nancy pelosi leads the democratseads in the house of representatives. we're pleased to have her with this m us.good good morning. >> good morning. >> where are these negotiations? when they were bargaining over the grand bargain you gave the the president and your caucus did cus d room to go in there and negotiate. he has that i assume, again, sosume he can put spending cuts and cuts and entitlement cuts on the table.he presi >> the president knows our views, sha views, shares our values. we respect his leadership and there's a recognition that he he may need our votes.e's n >> but there's no red line for you and the democrats in the use. house. you want the president to make a deal and deal and lay out what he can do.do. >> that is true. t however, we want what happens toe of the be fair and to work.e and one of the things we object to is raising the medicare age. red >> it's not a red line for you?g that >> it's something that says don'
despite all the gloom the president said he remains confident a fiscal cliff deal will get done. charlie and norah? >> major garrett thank you. nancy pelosi leads the democratseads in the house of representatives. we're pleased to have her with this m us.good good morning. >> good morning. >> where are these negotiations? when they were bargaining over the grand bargain you gave the the president and your caucus did cus d room to go in there and negotiate. he has that i...
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on the fiscal cliff. this morning a leading republican said any deal should include the major drivers of our debt. >> the long-term indebtedness of this country is baby boomers retiring putting pressure on medicaid, medicare and social security. i hope my party will look out for the country and not just the party itself and pure this president to do something he has never done before, lead in a bipartisan way. >> reporter: a little swipe there at the end but republicans have been consistent that it is important to address entitlement reform, something they very much want on the table if we're going to have a big deal in this fiscal cliff matter. jon? jon: on the democratic side it seems like they are holding firm on being sure that there is additional tax revenue in any fiscal cliff deal, right? >> jon, no question about that. they have been consistent from the very beginning. the president ran on the upper income americans paying more taxes as part of this deal. we heard more from chuck schumer on "fox n
on the fiscal cliff. this morning a leading republican said any deal should include the major drivers of our debt. >> the long-term indebtedness of this country is baby boomers retiring putting pressure on medicaid, medicare and social security. i hope my party will look out for the country and not just the party itself and pure this president to do something he has never done before, lead in a bipartisan way. >> reporter: a little swipe there at the end but republicans have been...
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on the fiscal cliff. the house majority and minority leaders issued a clear message today and yesterday don't book your plane tickets. >> we don't know if we would be home for the rest of hanukkah or christmas. let's really get real about this if we're going to have a solution, and let's stay here and sit at that table. >> we've said we're committed to staying here. we're going to stay here right up until christmas eve throughout the time and period before the new year. >> there are no talks scheduled today between the president and house speaker boehner. meanwhile, fed chairman ben bernanke, the man who coined the term fiscal cliff, urgently warned that just approaching the edge is causing damage. >> why is it that consumer confidence dropped so sharply this week? why is it that small business confidence dropped so sharply? why are the markets volatile, even though we're not yet even reached the point of the fiscal cliff potentially kicking in? it's already affecting business investment and hiring decisi
on the fiscal cliff. the house majority and minority leaders issued a clear message today and yesterday don't book your plane tickets. >> we don't know if we would be home for the rest of hanukkah or christmas. let's really get real about this if we're going to have a solution, and let's stay here and sit at that table. >> we've said we're committed to staying here. we're going to stay here right up until christmas eve throughout the time and period before the new year. >>...
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cliff talks. meanwhile, nbc's first read team says any deal reached should be a fragile one or could be. "news nation" is coming up in three. but it's not like everyone is going to break into a karaoke jam session. ♪ this will literally probably never happen. you won't just find us online, you'll also find us in person, with dedicated support teams at over 500 branches nationwide. so when you call or visit, you can ask for a name you know. because personal service starts with a real person. [ rodger ] at scottrade, seven dollar trades are just the start. our support teams are nearby, ready to help. it's no wonder so many investors are saying... [ all ] i'm with scottrade. hurry in and try five succulent entrees, like our tender snow crab paired with savory garlic shrimp. just $12.99. come into red lobster and sea food differently. and introducing 7 lunch choices for just $7.99.
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spending. >>> only 19 days left until the fiscal cliff. why are republicans letting congress go home? >> once again having a two-day workweek in the congress of the united states. you have to ask the question why are we going home instead of working very hard to forge an agreement to avoid that fiscal cliff? >> hillary clinton heads to capitol hill next week to testify about the benghazi terror attack armed with poll numbers that make her the envy of the political world. does that mean she'll run four years from now? listen to her response to barbara walters. >> what would it take to convince you to run in -- >> that's all hypothetical because right now i have no intention of running. sfoo right now at least. and a might of 1,000 rock stars in new york city. the boss, paul mccartney, bon jovi, billy joel, alicia keys, among others, all coming together to raise money for hurricane sandy victims. keep fans rocking well past midnight. ♪ ♪ who says you can't go home there's only one place they call you one of their own a hometown boy born
spending. >>> only 19 days left until the fiscal cliff. why are republicans letting congress go home? >> once again having a two-day workweek in the congress of the united states. you have to ask the question why are we going home instead of working very hard to forge an agreement to avoid that fiscal cliff? >> hillary clinton heads to capitol hill next week to testify about the benghazi terror attack armed with poll numbers that make her the envy of the political world....
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making progress on the fiscal cliff in washington, d.c. with the clock ticking away just days left for congress to reach a deal. are we any closer? >>> plus, a staple in hundreds of thousands of african-american homes for decades. "jet" magazine not afraid to make history and doing it again with a ground breaking announcement. >>> supreme court justice scalia raising eyebrows with a comment he made about murdered and homosexuality. if we cannot have moral feelings against homosexuality can we have it against murder, can we have it against other things? our big question for you is should a supreme court justice equate the morality of human sexuality with murder? tweet me at thomasaroberts or find me on facebook. anncr: some politicians seem to think medicare and... social security are just numbers in a budget. well, we worked hard for those benefits. we earned them. and if washington tries to cram decisions about the future... of these programs into a last minute budget deal... we'll all pay the price. aarp is fighting to protect seniors wi
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and women would have already brokered that deal on the fiscal cliff. >> i think, if we were in charge of the senate, and of the administration, that we would have a budget deal by now. >> reporter: do you all believe that? >> yes, without a doubt. >> yes. >> and what i find, with all due deference to our male colleagues, that women's style tend to be more collaborative. >> i think by nature we are less confrontational and more collaborative. and having us in the room and, i think, you know, all of us, not only do we want to work in a bipartisan way, we do it. >> i want you to know that soon, you'll see the whole interview with the powerhouse women of the senate. they are here to take action. and you have to see what they're going to be saying. >>> and now, we turn to that showdown raging in the heartland of the united states. perhaps no place in america more closely associated with unions than the state of michigan. and today, thousands of union workers descended on the capital to protest a new law they believe could be an ominous signal for unions and worker paychecks everywhere. her
and women would have already brokered that deal on the fiscal cliff. >> i think, if we were in charge of the senate, and of the administration, that we would have a budget deal by now. >> reporter: do you all believe that? >> yes, without a doubt. >> yes. >> and what i find, with all due deference to our male colleagues, that women's style tend to be more collaborative. >> i think by nature we are less confrontational and more collaborative. and having us in...
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if silence is golden maybe we'll have a deal on the fiscal cliff crisis sometime soon. there's 21 days left before the tax hikes and spending cuts kick in to send us over the cliff or down that gentle slope as some like to call it. congress is supposed to break for the holidays, nan? >> the last officially scheduled day for the house of representatives is december 13th. >> so friday. but we're on call. >> i don't think you'll be home permanently december 13th. >> we're ready for that. >> here's where things stand the president was touting his tax plan to truck plant workers in michigan. john boehner were quietly conducting behind the scenes talks on capitol hill. could be a sign of progress, but the blame game and finger pointing has stopped suddenly. we want to talk about this more with mayor rahm emmanuel and the president of the united states hispanic chamber of commerce, nice to have you both with us. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> mr. mayor you've been in the room with the president negotiating "the washington post" writes this today. "obama could be a ruthle
if silence is golden maybe we'll have a deal on the fiscal cliff crisis sometime soon. there's 21 days left before the tax hikes and spending cuts kick in to send us over the cliff or down that gentle slope as some like to call it. congress is supposed to break for the holidays, nan? >> the last officially scheduled day for the house of representatives is december 13th. >> so friday. but we're on call. >> i don't think you'll be home permanently december 13th. >> we're...
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is reached on the fiscal cliff. if nothing is worked out, there's a two-year 15% pay cut for both the president and capitol hill lawmakers. so far, more than 10,000 people are signed on board for that. time now for the big three and the topics, face-to-face history in the makings and the must read. we bring in the panel. aaron, msnbc contributor robert tray numb and adviser to the hillary clinton and al gore campaigns, doug. doug, i want to start with you. the first topic is face-to-face. what can be accomplished in the one-on-one negotiations between president obama and speaker boehner when you consider friday speaker boehner said the negotiations are nowhere? >> the pressure really is on the speaking and the house republicans. it's quite clear in the polls and everybody knows they are the ones standing in the way of tax relief for middle class working people just because they want to hold that hostage to tax cuts for the 2% richest people. he could, in that meeting, meet the president half way right off the block.
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they create an energy by going over the fiscal cliff and then they say because we have this big emergency we need to do drastic things to defund mostly the domestic side of government, turn it over to private industry. that's their aim. it's to drown the government in their bathtub as grover norquist famously said. >> i know. that sounds like the late senator moynihan that the idea of supply side was basically to get rid of so much revenue the government had such big deficits that even liberals couldn't call for new programs. dana, your thoughts on that? >> that would be well and good except they're also getting all the taxes to go up at the same time so they're not achieving anything by that. the republicans realize they lose politically if we go over the fiscal cliff, but this isn't just a political thing. the country loses economically if we go over it and then everybody is going to suffer -- >> let's go back to normal world. assume everybody is rational for five seconds. >> i can't do that. >> dana, you first. you're here in washington and then ron. what's the game play out the next f
they create an energy by going over the fiscal cliff and then they say because we have this big emergency we need to do drastic things to defund mostly the domestic side of government, turn it over to private industry. that's their aim. it's to drown the government in their bathtub as grover norquist famously said. >> i know. that sounds like the late senator moynihan that the idea of supply side was basically to get rid of so much revenue the government had such big deficits that even...
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patty murray says she doesn't mind going over the fiscal cliff. dick durbin says we can't take up entitlements this year and the president says you can't touch social security plus he wants more spending and whatever the deal is. that's not what the american people thought the fiscal cliff was about. they thought it was about trying to have something to force us, force our congress and our president to do something about the deficit and debt situation. everything they're talking about will make it worse. >> what's the answer? will we have the deal? >> the real answer is to have comprehensive. look at this. i as a republican, i would take raising the rates on the two top brackets if, in return, we had tax reform laid out over a period of months, if we had entitlement reform. we have to control defense spending. we have to control other no non- -- other discretionary non-defense spending. i think if you have the whole package, i would hold my nose despite the fact raising those two tax brackets is bad economics, bad for jobs, will hurt the economy,
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better than expected retailers, in the end when it come to the fiscal cliff, the longer we delay a deal or can't do a deal at all, it's worse for all the shareholders and the investors and the stock market. yes, a deal that does nothing, it simply keeps taxes where they are right now and doesn't cut entitlements, that's what everybody wants. what does matter, believe he, i mean what's going to happen if we do nothing except keep things exactly the way they are now, and just vote to undo the cliff? the rating agencies, they'll downgrade the u.s. debt. but that's it. by the way, we have already proven through nine ways of sunday that the agencies are ridiculous. when our credit rating got downgraded last summer, well, bonds went up in price and down in yield. so why not do nothing? why doesn't the president say we're just going to keep bonds the way they are? and we're not going to cut entitlements because we know if we don't cut taxes, the republicans will go along with their no tax pledge and the markets will go higher and no one will care, for now. but he told us that's not going to ha
better than expected retailers, in the end when it come to the fiscal cliff, the longer we delay a deal or can't do a deal at all, it's worse for all the shareholders and the investors and the stock market. yes, a deal that does nothing, it simply keeps taxes where they are right now and doesn't cut entitlements, that's what everybody wants. what does matter, believe he, i mean what's going to happen if we do nothing except keep things exactly the way they are now, and just vote to undo the...
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fiscal cliff, economic meltdown, all not necessary if there were more women. those were the female members of the 113th congress on why the women in the senate could get the budget deal done. yes, they could. when the new congress is sworn in, there will be a record-breaking 20 female senators in office. and joining us now -- you agree with me, right? >> our world's over, mike. actually, we compromise. >> yeah. after you break everything. >> and the way we compromised was, we decided not to bring donny deutsch on to talk about being a penn grad. >> that's true. that's a black eye on the legacy of the institution. i'm so sorry. >> went to wharton. >> joining us now, the president of the university of pennsylvania, amy gutmann, the co-author of the book "the spirit of compromise: why governing demands it and campaigning undermines it." i wonder if there's no better example than right now. >> yeah. we're in the midst of the perfect storm and the only solution to it is compromise. and for once, compromise isn't a dirty word in washington these days because they re
fiscal cliff, economic meltdown, all not necessary if there were more women. those were the female members of the 113th congress on why the women in the senate could get the budget deal done. yes, they could. when the new congress is sworn in, there will be a record-breaking 20 female senators in office. and joining us now -- you agree with me, right? >> our world's over, mike. actually, we compromise. >> yeah. after you break everything. >> and the way we compromised was, we...
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are he and the speaker closer to a deal on the fiscal cliff? that up next. >>> and the pope takes to twitter, and here is what he tweeted. he said, listen, writing my sunday morning sermon. going to be a good one. rotfl. of course he didn't say that, he's the pope. what's wrong with you, john berman? we will tell you what the pope said in his first tweet, straight ahead. i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. information on my phone. connection to doctors who get where i'm from. and tools to estimate what my care may cost. so i never missed a beat. we're more than 78,000 people looking out for more than 70 million americans. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. it's lots of things. all waking up. ♪ becoming part of the global phenomenon we call the internet of everything. ♪ trees will talk to networks will talk to scientists about climate change. cars will talk to road sensors will talk to stoplights about traffic efficiency. the ambulance will talk to pat
are he and the speaker closer to a deal on the fiscal cliff? that up next. >>> and the pope takes to twitter, and here is what he tweeted. he said, listen, writing my sunday morning sermon. going to be a good one. rotfl. of course he didn't say that, he's the pope. what's wrong with you, john berman? we will tell you what the pope said in his first tweet, straight ahead. i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my...
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and i think all of us know what we really need to do to deal with the fiscal cliff is to have a true fiscal reform package that i hope would be in the range of $4 trillion, $4.5 trillion, so we can put this issue behind us and really begin this next year with it in the rear-view mirror and our economy taking off because we've shown the world that we've actually dealt with these issues and people in our country would have the confidence to invest -- to invest here in our country because they know we in washington have been responsible in that way. one of the big discussions that's taking place right now is revenues, and, really, i think at the end of the day, we're going to come to a conclusion very soon that it's probably time for us to go ahead and rescue the 98% of the country that's been caught up in all of this. and my sense is we're going to have some resolution to that in the -- in the very near future. what i have found is, and one of the reasons that we don't have a solution, is that people on both sides of the aisle are focused over here on the revenue side, but so far there
and i think all of us know what we really need to do to deal with the fiscal cliff is to have a true fiscal reform package that i hope would be in the range of $4 trillion, $4.5 trillion, so we can put this issue behind us and really begin this next year with it in the rear-view mirror and our economy taking off because we've shown the world that we've actually dealt with these issues and people in our country would have the confidence to invest -- to invest here in our country because they...
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cliff deal in public. let's listen. >> i get nervous when two people disappear into a white house room and start making a grand alliance and they think, we're going to do this and get it out of the secret meetings and into the public venues to the american people and the congress themselves, we're responsible for making intelligent decisions. that should be done publicly. but at some point, after public debate and so forth, yes, private negotiations can help bridge the gap and bring us to a successful conclusion. >> mary, what do you think? will that be a kiss of death? >> i don't think there's time, wolf, the president has been dragging its feet. we have a few numbers of days left before we go off the fiscal cliff and taxes are raised for everybody. so speaker boehner knows a caucus, a serious, mature sober leader. he knows what his principles are. he's a principled conservative, a mainstream businessman and knows what the issues are. the house should and is largely trusting him. >> and what do you think
cliff deal in public. let's listen. >> i get nervous when two people disappear into a white house room and start making a grand alliance and they think, we're going to do this and get it out of the secret meetings and into the public venues to the american people and the congress themselves, we're responsible for making intelligent decisions. that should be done publicly. but at some point, after public debate and so forth, yes, private negotiations can help bridge the gap and bring us to...
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be optimistic and rise above, we deal with the fiscal cliff, then the fiscal abyss. the fed keeps us sort of above stall speed and then we do some structural things, would that work? >> that's -- joe, that's exactly what we're all hoping for. we hope that republicans and democrats, the congress, the administration, can enact bold structural reforms to make the economy more growth oriented. and you know, live within our means. manage our budgets. if we can do that, then the fed is building a bridge to the congress. >> you talking about the congress? >> pardon me? >> live within our means and manage our budgets? are you talking about the congress? >> well, you know, we've done it in the past. we can all be very bearish on our political system. but our political system over the long-term works. republicans and democrats have come together before, have made tough choices. if we can do it again, then bernanke's actions are not going to be for naught. they're going to be buying time for leaders in washington to take over. but if leaders in washington don't take over, then
be optimistic and rise above, we deal with the fiscal cliff, then the fiscal abyss. the fed keeps us sort of above stall speed and then we do some structural things, would that work? >> that's -- joe, that's exactly what we're all hoping for. we hope that republicans and democrats, the congress, the administration, can enact bold structural reforms to make the economy more growth oriented. and you know, live within our means. manage our budgets. if we can do that, then the fed is building...
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cliff tax hikes. where's the largic of this position or is it just hypocritical sweetheart deal stuff? >> i don't agree it's a tax killer. the taxes are put into place that the sectors of health care benefit reform, insurers, hospital, medical device companies hoar going to see gain when you have 30 million americans going into the health care system that they also help keep the law sustainable. >> but, wait, i don't understand. we're talking about taxes. come back to the main point. the main point is why are these 18 democrats suddenly opposed to a job killing tax, particularly elizabeth warren, particularly al franken, who are two lefty liberals who love high taxes. is it because, a, they've seen the logic of supply side economics or, b, they're hypocrites because they're just trying to protect their own companies in their own states? >> they have the medical device lobby in their back yard, that's who they're listening to. if they don't want to do this tax, bits $30 billion over ten years to fund t
cliff tax hikes. where's the largic of this position or is it just hypocritical sweetheart deal stuff? >> i don't agree it's a tax killer. the taxes are put into place that the sectors of health care benefit reform, insurers, hospital, medical device companies hoar going to see gain when you have 30 million americans going into the health care system that they also help keep the law sustainable. >> but, wait, i don't understand. we're talking about taxes. come back to the main...
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another republican apparently willing to agree with tax hikes to get a deal on the fiscal cliff. that is the case now. what do republicans get in return? senator lindsey graham is live on that. martha: looks like a beautiful morning everywhere, doesn't it. new reaction as details are now emerging in yet another nfl football tragedy. this time a crash that killed a dallas cowboy player and left another player charged with manslaughter this morning. >> i think everyone in our organization who knew him is completely numb and has been numb the last couple days. football is a game of emotion. a lot of different emotions circulating. somehow how some way, we have to process it all and understand that life is different than football and we had a job to do today gressiv, and they're them. yes. but they're here. yes. are you...? there? yes. no. are you them? i'm me. but those rates are for... them. so them are here. yes! you want to run through it again? no, i'm good. you got it? yes. rates for us and them -- now that's progressive. call or click today. music: "make someone happy" music:
another republican apparently willing to agree with tax hikes to get a deal on the fiscal cliff. that is the case now. what do republicans get in return? senator lindsey graham is live on that. martha: looks like a beautiful morning everywhere, doesn't it. new reaction as details are now emerging in yet another nfl football tragedy. this time a crash that killed a dallas cowboy player and left another player charged with manslaughter this morning. >> i think everyone in our organization...
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one is the fiscal cliff, two is the debt ceiling, and, three, is the big deal that has to be on the debt and deficit. unfortunately, those issues get von -- convuluded, especially in this town. the fiscal cliff is an artificial date. congress came in, says this law expires on this date. they extended it, expires, put in the sequestering, saying it expires on this date. it is a date. all they have to do is extend the date and allow themselves the time to discuss the issues, and instead, they cram the issues in a lame duck session and letting congress that got unlighted decisions that should be made by the people who should be making the decisions. that's a problem. the fiscal cliff can have real consequences. cbo came out and said that it would cause recession if we go off the fiscal cliff. i don't dispute that, but i do point out the fact that in 1993 when the taxes were already put in, many said they would cause a recession. they did not. the economy is improving on its own right now, and getting somewhat stronger so the impact of the fiscal cliff, while not something to be encouraged,
one is the fiscal cliff, two is the debt ceiling, and, three, is the big deal that has to be on the debt and deficit. unfortunately, those issues get von -- convuluded, especially in this town. the fiscal cliff is an artificial date. congress came in, says this law expires on this date. they extended it, expires, put in the sequestering, saying it expires on this date. it is a date. all they have to do is extend the date and allow themselves the time to discuss the issues, and instead, they...
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first of all, we talk about the fiscal cliff all the time. we know it's a big deal. but maybe there are some signs that it's an even bigger deal at this point. there's a story on the money section of the "usa today" talking about investors peering over the cliff at this point. the markets have kind of hung in. now there is this concern that if there's not some sort of movement, or some signs of movement pretty quickly, maybe the market also react. and then there's also the story on the front page of "the wall street journal" talking about how consumer spending is finally showing some signs of cracks. now we know that when first -- we first saw things starting out right after thanksgiving it was pretty strong sales. now the reports have been more mixed. on friday there was a preliminary measure of consumer sentiment from the university of michigan that showed a big drop after four months of gains. i can't help but wonder if that's because of all the coverage of the fiscal cliff and how much it plays into the news media. at this point maybe that's a sign for washington
first of all, we talk about the fiscal cliff all the time. we know it's a big deal. but maybe there are some signs that it's an even bigger deal at this point. there's a story on the money section of the "usa today" talking about investors peering over the cliff at this point. the markets have kind of hung in. now there is this concern that if there's not some sort of movement, or some signs of movement pretty quickly, maybe the market also react. and then there's also the story on...
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talking about the pesky fiscal cliff loomming in the end of the year. you know, the way washington works. you got to write bills and get people on board. if that is true and if they want to have a deal by january wobst as you look at a live picture where no one is working in that building. they would have to come up with a deal sometime this week by this weekend. it is interesting according to usa today apparently both sides are talk not releasing detailings. mr. boehner wants to know what spending cuts the president is talking about . the president wants to know what kind much tax hike the republicans go on. >> gretchen: it feels like dejavu. ground hog dog. last year it the debt ceiling orificical cliff. it was the debt ceiling. >> steve: first fiscal cliff of our lifetime. >> gretchen: it feels like it has been here a longg time and they were talking about the importance of the day to get the bill actually through. i feel like they can jump through hoops and get past that, too. >> eric: had it has to originate in the house and sent over marked up to
talking about the pesky fiscal cliff loomming in the end of the year. you know, the way washington works. you got to write bills and get people on board. if that is true and if they want to have a deal by january wobst as you look at a live picture where no one is working in that building. they would have to come up with a deal sometime this week by this weekend. it is interesting according to usa today apparently both sides are talk not releasing detailings. mr. boehner wants to know what...
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cliff if washington can't strike a deal. so with the clock ticking and the stakes so high, both the white house and republican leaders are tamping down their fiery rhetoric. listen to president obama's sales pitch for his version of a compromise. >> when you put it all together, what you need is a package that keeps taxes where they are for middle class families, we make some tough spending cuts on things that we don't need, and then we ask the wealthiest americans to pay a slightly higher tax rate. >> brianna keilar is at the white house. brianna, are meetings going on outside of the public's view? is that your understanding? >> reporter: well, there are discussions. that is what we're told. as we understand it, obviously, the last meeting between the president and speaker boehner was on sunday. but we're told by both the white house and the speaker's office that discussions are ongoing, so, obviously, they can all pick up the telephone, and that, quote, the lines of communication are open. this is thing we're hearing over
cliff if washington can't strike a deal. so with the clock ticking and the stakes so high, both the white house and republican leaders are tamping down their fiery rhetoric. listen to president obama's sales pitch for his version of a compromise. >> when you put it all together, what you need is a package that keeps taxes where they are for middle class families, we make some tough spending cuts on things that we don't need, and then we ask the wealthiest americans to pay a slightly...
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>> we'll be talking inside these fiscal cliff negotiations. top lieutenants on both sides, kevin mccarthy for speaker boehner and dick durbin, senator durbin, white house ally, and we'll touch on sir, yeah an ongoing crisis and a lot happening this week on that. newt gingrich joins our roundtable as well. the press pass up there we have rick santorum who has things to say about how this fiscal cliff negotiation is going. >> all right. sounds good, david gregory, thank you for joining us. >> see you in a few minutes. >>> let's go to chuck now. we're dealing with fog and slick roads out there. >> good morning, you guys. good sunday morning, everybody. today will not be the prettiest day to be outside. we'l >>> the national zoo says one of its bears may soon give birth. here's a picture of billie jean, andean bear, and she's pregnant with two small cubs. the vets say she built a nest and staying inside a little more. she's also eating less. they say that that's, you know, pretty much the same way she acted the last time that she gave by the way t
>> we'll be talking inside these fiscal cliff negotiations. top lieutenants on both sides, kevin mccarthy for speaker boehner and dick durbin, senator durbin, white house ally, and we'll touch on sir, yeah an ongoing crisis and a lot happening this week on that. newt gingrich joins our roundtable as well. the press pass up there we have rick santorum who has things to say about how this fiscal cliff negotiation is going. >> all right. sounds good, david gregory, thank you for...
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we are in the midst, as we all know, in the fiscal cliff cliff. i'm hoping for this audience, if you could, try to handicap what you think will happen over the next two weeks. >> first, let me give you what's important here. we could go off the cliff which will create enormous problems. i see a lot of people that say it won't be a big deal, it might be a big deal. we could have rational policy and i think the country could take off. i think it's a big deal to do it right, save jobs, get the country going again and return confidence in the united states and globally. i don't know the odds. i think the odds is the prosecution -- politicians sometimes between december 21st and 28 will do something. they will wait follow the last minute because everybody has to make sure they have the last ounce of blood. >> what does the other side of the cliff look like? is it a cliff or bunny slope? how do you think about this? >> i put it in the irrational category and irresponsible. you could easily say, go off, not a big deal. it may not be as big a deal as peop
we are in the midst, as we all know, in the fiscal cliff cliff. i'm hoping for this audience, if you could, try to handicap what you think will happen over the next two weeks. >> first, let me give you what's important here. we could go off the cliff which will create enormous problems. i see a lot of people that say it won't be a big deal, it might be a big deal. we could have rational policy and i think the country could take off. i think it's a big deal to do it right, save jobs, get...
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two, can he use these numbers to bolster his case for a deal on the fiscal cliff? >> the answer first of all, f they were to dahl me i would say don't take a victory lap because it's 7.7% unemployment. if you are under employed or you have stopped looking or don't have a job at all, you don't want to here that this is happy days are here again. >> bill: you he we are moving in the right direction? >> right. >> we have made progress but we have a long way to go. there are too many people out of work. >> the last thing we want to do is as the congressional budget has said if we go over the fiscal cliff, it will increase unemployment to 9%. this is thought the time for the cliff to go into effect. it's why everyone is saying don't do this. long time, too big of a deficit reduction. we need something longer term and more gradual. >> that's his argument. this gives him a lot more ammunition, it seems to me, in dealing with a congress saying this proves that we are moving in the right direction and the worst thing we could do would bring everything to a halt. right? >> a
two, can he use these numbers to bolster his case for a deal on the fiscal cliff? >> the answer first of all, f they were to dahl me i would say don't take a victory lap because it's 7.7% unemployment. if you are under employed or you have stopped looking or don't have a job at all, you don't want to here that this is happy days are here again. >> bill: you he we are moving in the right direction? >> right. >> we have made progress but we have a long way to go. there are...
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. >>> the president was in michigan to rally support for his plan to avoid the fiscal cliff and with just 21 days left until the deadline, a new gallup poll shows most americans want congress to compromise on spending and tax cuts. 70% say republicans and democratic leaders should make a deal now, up eight points since last week. major garrett is at the white house covering the fiscal talks. good morning. >> reporter: good morning and good morning to our viewers out west. one thing has been agreed upon in the fiscal cliff talks, not to discuss the details. many look at this bipartisan silence and see an encouraging sign but white house and congressional sources tell me that while the atmosphere around these talks is positive between the president and speaker john boehner, when it gets to the underlying details, progress is maddeningly slow. president obama telephoned senate majority leader harry reid monday while rob nabors huddled for a second day in a row aide to speaker john boehner. no discernible progress toward breaking the fiscal cliff stalemate. mr. obama left that drama behi
. >>> the president was in michigan to rally support for his plan to avoid the fiscal cliff and with just 21 days left until the deadline, a new gallup poll shows most americans want congress to compromise on spending and tax cuts. 70% say republicans and democratic leaders should make a deal now, up eight points since last week. major garrett is at the white house covering the fiscal talks. good morning. >> reporter: good morning and good morning to our viewers out west. one...
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i was going to deal with that problem with the fiscal cliff today, but gun violence is another area in america where it seems we can't have a discussion without delusional claims of overreach and taking away hunting rifles. congress won't even allow statistics on gun violence to be gathered, and we certainly have made no progress towards closing the gun show loophole. i come to the floor with a small array of hope. with nearly half of all military sue sides are committed with privately owned weapons, the pentagon and congress are moving towards establishing policies to separate at-risk service members from personal private weapons. congress is poised to enact legislation to end a prohibition about the military collecting information about firearms kept at home. these are simple commonsense steps for an armed services where more military personnel take their own life than who die in battle. perhaps if we can take these reasonable steps to protect our servicemen and their families, perhaps we can have the courage to treat the epidemic of gun violence with the same thoughtful small steps
i was going to deal with that problem with the fiscal cliff today, but gun violence is another area in america where it seems we can't have a discussion without delusional claims of overreach and taking away hunting rifles. congress won't even allow statistics on gun violence to be gathered, and we certainly have made no progress towards closing the gun show loophole. i come to the floor with a small array of hope. with nearly half of all military sue sides are committed with privately owned...
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when it comes to the looming fiscal cliff crisis that could be a good thing. in 21 days we go over that cliff and four days to get a deal done before they head to christmas break. drastic tax hikes and spending cuts loom. cnn political reporter shannon travis jones us live from washington. what are you hearing? >> well, we're hearing that the negotiations are continuing, zoraida. exactly what those negotiations contain, what's actually happening in them, we're unclear of. so we know that president obama and house speaker john boehner had that one-on-one meeting on sunday, it was their first since mid-november. discussions have continued but, again, very light on details. both sides yesterday put out statements from a public and then from the white house. very light on details. i'll read just one of them for you. quote, discussions with the white house are taking place but we have no detail to share about the substance of those conversations. the republican offer made last week remains the republican offer and we continue to wait for the president to identify t
when it comes to the looming fiscal cliff crisis that could be a good thing. in 21 days we go over that cliff and four days to get a deal done before they head to christmas break. drastic tax hikes and spending cuts loom. cnn political reporter shannon travis jones us live from washington. what are you hearing? >> well, we're hearing that the negotiations are continuing, zoraida. exactly what those negotiations contain, what's actually happening in them, we're unclear of. so we know that...
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both sides looking to see if the two men can find a way to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. from the white house's perspective, what they are looking for is if there's any way, no doubt, for the speaker to budge on, from their point of view, rates. they still want to know if the speaker can give at all on rates. from the speaker's perspective, they are looking for spending cuts from the white house. the white house was far more aggressive from jay carney in the briefing about the speaker, about the gop position, insisting that republicans just haven't been giving enough and that they have been too vague overall. this was jay carney at the briefing earlier today, wolf. >> let me just say that while i personally am very fond of john boehner, his record of predicting what would happen if certain economic policies weren't instituted is a dismal. >> a different kind of attitude from the white house suggesting that as both sides are facing stalemate, they are positioning for a pr battle if the nation should go over the cliff, wolf. >> the neating is potentially, if it ends positiv
both sides looking to see if the two men can find a way to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. from the white house's perspective, what they are looking for is if there's any way, no doubt, for the speaker to budge on, from their point of view, rates. they still want to know if the speaker can give at all on rates. from the speaker's perspective, they are looking for spending cuts from the white house. the white house was far more aggressive from jay carney in the briefing about the speaker,...
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traders on edge not to mention the vagaries of the fiscal cliff. markets move with progress or lack of progress as the case may be. the congressional budget office says we could be back in recession the first half of next year if a deal is not reached. those are things they're watching. >> mandy drury at the new york stock exchange, thanks. >>> someone sign this kid up. this is christian balkner, giving the tampa bay buccaneers cheerleaders a run for their money. check him out. ♪ >> he is good. they call christian little steer, named after the mascot captain steer. in case you're wondering, yes, he can definitely teach you how to dougie. he is good. >> who are you talking about? oh, there was a little boy there also? >> nice, matt. >> when you said check this out, these guys -- >> in about eight years, that kid will be not be -- >> turning around a lot. >> al roker has your forecast. al? >> thank you so much. we've been talking about this system. first of all, it dumped a ton of snow in minneapolis, as you just heard, anywhere from 8 to 14" of sn
traders on edge not to mention the vagaries of the fiscal cliff. markets move with progress or lack of progress as the case may be. the congressional budget office says we could be back in recession the first half of next year if a deal is not reached. those are things they're watching. >> mandy drury at the new york stock exchange, thanks. >>> someone sign this kid up. this is christian balkner, giving the tampa bay buccaneers cheerleaders a run for their money. check him out....
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but there is this, if no deal is struck, and the fiscal cliff comes, then $600 billion in automatic tax increases and spending cuts will kick in. that could affect a lot of programs in this room. that, wolf, is going to lead a lot of voters, democrat and republican, unhappy. >> tom foreman. dramatic way of explaining what's going on. love that virtual studio he's got over there. thank you. >>> new clues potentially uncovered in a deadly decades old mystery haunting a reform school. you'll find out what researchers think they have found. that's next. i put away money. i was 21, so i said, "hmm, i want to retire at 55." and before you know it, i'm 58 years old. time went by very fast. it goes by too, too fast. ♪ but i would do it again in a heartbeat. [ laughs ] ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] with a select terrain dial that adjusts the jeep grand cherokee's performance for specific weather and road conditions... ♪ ...even heavy snowstorms... won't keep you from getting to work. our apologies. ♪ >>> researchers may have unkfred shocking new evidence of a mass grave at a now closed florid
but there is this, if no deal is struck, and the fiscal cliff comes, then $600 billion in automatic tax increases and spending cuts will kick in. that could affect a lot of programs in this room. that, wolf, is going to lead a lot of voters, democrat and republican, unhappy. >> tom foreman. dramatic way of explaining what's going on. love that virtual studio he's got over there. thank you. >>> new clues potentially uncovered in a deadly decades old mystery haunting a reform...
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avoiding the fiscal cliff. mr. obama and house speaker john boehner took a step yesterday, speaking about the standoff on the phone. i guess at least they weren't texting, right? while the details of their chat remain private, both men continued to talk past each other in public. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%. >> there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more, more of their money to the federal government, without raising tax rates, which we believe will harm our economy. >> treasury secretary tim geithner also weighed in yesterday saying the president is willing to allow the nation to go over the cliff if republicans don't agree to raise taxes on the wealthy. >>> we are learning new details about colorado's shooting suspect james holmes now that thousands of e-mails in the case have been released. messages indicate holmes may have had a brief romantic relationship in the days before the tragedy. we have learned that in early june, holmes began speci
avoiding the fiscal cliff. mr. obama and house speaker john boehner took a step yesterday, speaking about the standoff on the phone. i guess at least they weren't texting, right? while the details of their chat remain private, both men continued to talk past each other in public. >> let's allow higher rates to go up for the top 2%. >> there are ways to limit deductions, close loopholes, and have the same people pay more, more of their money to the federal government, without raising...